Mies
Brief history: Mies coined the phrase "Less is more". In reaction to that, and pretty much all of Modernism, Venturi countered with "Less is a bore". (Late in Venturi's talk he mentioned a twist on his quote that somebody coined, one I actually prefer to the original: Mess is More)
Bob
Thus Bob, the "Anti-Mies" spoke last night about classicism, symbolism, and mannerism. In the first case, he stated that Mies was a classicist, because his buildings and spaces were stripped-down renditions of what came before; in the second case, he attested that Mies used symbolism, most apparently in the non-structural, applied steel sections on the facades of multi-story buildings, symbolizing industry; in the third case, he argued that given the first two -- and the fact that Mies did not acknowledge the classicism or the symbolic ornamentation, Mies was not mannerist. Bob is mannerist, according to Bob, because he is overtly symbolic. His conclusion was that Mies was covertly symbolic and classicist in a complex and contradictory time, while Bob is overtly symbolic and mannerist in a complex and contradictory time.
So what does this mean? To me, Bob is trying to bring Mies closer to himself by aligning him with his beliefs. Having popularized the phrase "complexities and contradictions" in the influential book of the same title, he takes that as the defining characteristics of the 20th century, the industrial century. If one doesn't take this to be true, then his argument pretty much falls apart, as Mies's architecture has a different frame of reference. But that won't work for Bob. For him, the 20th century was complex and contradictory and only symbolic and mannerist architecture accurately represents that time. While I've never been a big fan of him and his wife's architecture, the duo's updating of their theories to the signs, symbols, and iconography of the digital age is unfortunately just as off-putting.
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